The new iPad

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

It didn't take long after posting this that I had second thoughts about this topic. But now that the discussion is in full swing, and this has nothing to do with politics or religion, I feel like I need to rant a bit. [b]Disclaimer: I am extremely passionate about technology. It is my religion to me, I have been following technological advances since middle school (about 5-6 years ago now) but I have actually understood it for the past 3 years or so. I was raised an Apple fanboy by my father, he still owns everything apple from our router (Airport Express) to our HTPC (Apple TV...heavily hacked by me). But i've been a self taught OS hybrid for about 7 years now....wow i'm getting old.[/b] I'm going to try to take this comment by comment, while adding in my own two cents now and then. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59360#post59360']The CPU, ill say is apple's own chip and its quite good, but in no way matches to some of the newer laptops around, since Steve jobs was trash talking laptops around today i think he failed on this aspect.[/quote] Can you please source this information? What chips are you comparing it to? Comparing the A4 to a i5 would be ridiculous as they are made for completely different systems. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59360#post59360']And battery life is always a joke, under perfect conditions, my ipod touch says it can play music for 30 hours, i can barely get 6-10 out of it on full charge.[/quote] Odd since my iPhone lasted on a 16 hour road trip when i was listening to music/playing games/web surfing the whole time and I still had battery to spare. If your charge doesn't hold like it should Apple will replace it if its under warranty. Apple does have some of the best battery technology in the field right now. People just hate them because you can't replace the battery yourself. This is because removable batteries weight more, take up more space, and are less efficient. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59360#post59360']wacom had something similar out before apple even thought of touch screens, and most companies will simply say the technology was "inspired" by someone else when really it was "stolen".[/quote] Again do you have a source for this or just hearsay? Apple didn't "steal" anything they purchased a company called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FingerWorks]FingerWorks[/url] in 2005 and their technology led to the iPhone/Touch screen, as well as other apples products. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59360#post59360']Im not saying apple is bad[/quote] Just lying thieves then? [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59360#post59360']its the same with nvidia and ati.[/quote] I'm confused here...if you said "its the same with nvidia and intel" that would've made sense. But what does nvidia and ati have to do with OS's? [quote='PO1.Big Mac150=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59375#post59375']I am getting an iPhone 3GS because it can do everything the iPad should and plus i will have 3G Internet everywhere i go. Thats another thing. An Access Point won't always be available for your iPad.[/QUOTE] There is the iPad with 3G chips, its an extra $129 but with AT&T you can get unlimited data for $29.99 a month which is a lot cheaper than anything out there. With VoIP such as skype and services like google voice it wouldn't be hard at all to use it like a phone, just like people use their laptops and desktops with skype to call people. There is a mic and a speaker or you could easily get the Apple headphones with a mic in it. Personally I don't enjoy talking on the phone and I have the smallest minutes plan possible, I wish I could trade roll over for data. I could easily see these types of services replacing cellular plans in the future. [quote='Conman51','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59444#post59444']This was trying to be a net book...it failed, if i ever saw some one walking around with it, i would whip out my phone, take a HQ video of them being stupid with it, and upload it to youtube before they even knew what hit them :p[/QUOTE] Apparently you couldn't find sources like you said so you're just going to go with more of your Apple bashing. I'm curious what was the first iFail? The iPod which changed music as we know it? Or perhaps the iPhone that made every smartphone made pre-2008 look like it was from the 80s, and how every new phone that comes out is compared to it? You realize that your posts make u look just like someone in the back of a room that automatically jeers if you ever hear "Apple" muttered. Besides saying "omfgz itz a epic failbox lulz !!!!!!11!1!!!one!!one!1" maybe some concrete criticism? [quote='1LT.Spartan0189=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59489#post59489']Also, the next fail in the iPad is that it doesn't have Adobe Flash Player.. [URL='http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-flash/']click me[/URL] [URL='http://lifehacker.com/5458690/the-problem-with-the-apple-ipad']iPad Rant[/URL][/QUOTE] Finally some sources!!! Anyway there is a clear reason Apple won't support flash....because it sucks. Flash is horribly inefficiant and uses [url=http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-applications-games/167861-flash-player-cpu-hog.html#post909909]a lot[/url] of [url=http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2032706]resources[/url]. This is why Dailymotion, Vimeo, and Youtube have begun integrating HTML5 video. Because its a solid platform and you don't have to install any third party software to run it, it works right through the browser with a much smaller impact on your resources. Apple knows the running flash will kill your battery, cause your browser to crash, and be a potential security threat. In 1-2 years when HTML5 video is the main flavor for internet videos people will wonder why it took flash so long to get phased out. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59494#post59494']The OS has it disabled, i don't even know why apple does that, i think their going to introduce it later in 4.0 and make everyone pay a crap load more for a plugin that should have been included by default.[/quote] The OS doesn't have it "disabled", there isn't a hidden feature that will turn flash on. Adobe would need to port a version to the iPhone OS, and although they have tried, Apple still doesn't want it. Read above. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59494#post59494']I think its useless however, you can't do anything you can on a proper netbook, or a laptop and it certainly isen't a smartphone, so what is it good for? a bit of eye candy?[/quote] I think you're mixing netbooks and laptops. Read up what a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbook]netbook[/url] is. [quote=Wikipedia]a small, light and inexpensive laptop computers suited for general computing and accessing web-based applications[/quote] iPad is one of the smallest and lightest netbooks in existence thanks to the virtual keyboard and multitouch screen. Netbooks can't play games, you can't use them for video editing, good luck trying to program on one of those tiny screens. The only thing is this brand new device has over 140,000 apps that work on it right out of the box, and it hasn't begun shipping yet. Imagine the apps that will be iPad specific, maybe a DJ app? They demoed an amazing drawing app thats similar to GIMP/Photoshop but optimized for the touch screen. And the netbooks with the 3G chips have a higher data plan as well. The iPad data plan through AT&T is one of the cheapest you will find. Its also unlocked anyway so you don't have to use AT&T and there is no contract! These things are not possible with most netbooks. And finally, a little off topic but... [quote='PO1.Big Mac150=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59568#post59568']Bill Gates will beat Steve with $100 bills lol. Did u see the comparison photoi posted on this thread?[/QUOTE] Apple Q1 2010: [quote]revenue of $15.68 billion and a net quarterly profit of $3.38 billion, or $3.67 per diluted share.[/quote][url=http://www.tuaw.com/2010/01/25/apple-2010-q1-earnings-announced-and-theyre-magnificent/]source[/url] Microsoft Q1 2010: [quote]revenue of $12.92 billion, for a 14 percent year-over-year decline. Operating income: $4.48 billion, down 25 percent. Net income: $3.57 billion, or 40 cents a share. Net income fell by 18 percent and earnings per share by 17 percent year over year.[/quote][url=http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Microsoft-Q1-2010-by-the-numbers-Windows-license-sales-at-record-levels/1256310263]source[/url] But honestly comparing those two is stupid. No offence to you BigMac since most people feel like thats the comparison. Bill Gates is on the board of directors at Microsoft...and thats it. He is in no way involved in their day-to-day operation anymore. All of his time goes towards his foundation. But the reason he is so rich can be explains by a few different things. First off, Gates is brilliant in so many facets, he is an amazing programmer, but his business sense is why he made so much money. But the reason I like to reference the most because people don't really know about it, but Windows was a clone of the original Macintosh software (not the Apple II or Lisa, the Macintosh). Gates stole it from Apple, and then beat him to the release date. Obviously the updates since then have been all Microsoft. But that event is one reason that Apple fights hard for its patents and goes to great lengths to prevent leaks within the company. Even better, the infamous MS-DOS which Bill Gates sold to IBM when he literally had nothing to show for it, he just convinced him that what he (didn't) have was what they needed. When they agreed to buy it, Gates bought the OS from a small development company for around $60k. All that aside both of them are brilliant people, who have done nothing but help make our lives easier in the past 3 decades. I highly respect both of them, for all the things you wish to blame on them, the world is better off because of them.

[Guest Jazm]

wow, that rant is so ubergeek that i cannot even enter the arena. thanks for all the useful info and thank you for the sources, know this everyone... facts presented without verifiable sources are just opinions.. nothing more.

[Guest RET.GEN.Darmine]

For once Xander i agree. lol! Take that to the bank. Most people bash apple because they never used there products. Im a PC and a MAC user. PC and MAC have there goods and bads. MAC for me, is best used for rendering(Photoshop, Illustrator ECT). PC for me, is best used for gaming and programming(VB, C++ ECT).

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

Three days later and no one is backing up any of their statements? I'm sure the bashing would've continued if I didn't post that. I was hoping at least one of the people I called out would have something to say. So I guess in the event of no rebuttal, I win? Easiest internet debate ever.

[Guest Conman51]

Wait till tommorow I'm still at school, idk where you got this idea of a fight, but... you asked for it apple fan boy;)

[Guest Big Mac150]

[quote='Conman51','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59776#post59776']Wait till tommorow I'm still at school, idk where you got this idea of a fight, but... you asked for it apple fan boy;)[/QUOTE] I can't wait for this. Looks like its going to be a good fight ;)

[Guest RET.CW4.ThievingSix=US=]

Sorry have had school this week :D I think the ipad is controlled far too heavily by apple, and you can only do what apple says you can, it seems like your renting their hardware for $599(even though they make almost 3x the cost of producing one) i quote, [QUOTE=Technology critic]"the iPad should be viewed as an "appliance" for media consumers, not really a computer in the traditional sense.[/QUOTE] I also think [URL='http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/-/539444/854942/-/t2ckvq/-/']this[/URL] article is shows the cons and pros nicely. [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]Can you please source this information? What chips are you comparing it to? Comparing the A4 to a i5 would be ridiculous as they are made for completely different systems.[/QUOTE] As you will see with my later post, steve jobs says that he wants to bridge the gap between laptops and smartphones, if he is leaning towards a laptop he didn't get there, for the simple reason of no multi-tasking, if he is leaning towards a smartphone, you cant make calls on the ipad. He is targeting a space in the market, which at the moment doesn't really exist, he didn't create a device that would change things as we know it, as it doesn't have the important features of either smartphone or laptop. Also specifically on the chip, in comparison to some of the smartphones coming out today it seems on par([URL='http://mobilementalism.com/2009/02/03/toshiba-tg01-offers-largest-screen-and-fastest-processor-of-any-smartphone/']here[/URL] and [URL='http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Jobs-Positions-the-Apple-iPad-Concept-Between-Smartphones-Laptops-751341/']here[/URL]) [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]Odd since my iPhone lasted on a 16 hour road trip when i was listening to music/playing games/web surfing the whole time and I still had battery to spare. If your charge doesn't hold like it should Apple will replace it if its under warranty. Apple does have some of the best battery technology in the field right now. People just hate them because you can't replace the battery yourself. This is because removable batteries weight more, take up more space, and are less efficient[/QUOTE] My nokia N97 promises 40hr of music and delivers 35 hours under normal use, which i think is pretty good and beats the iphone's 30hr audio rating. The nokia n97 is a smartphone and has removable batteries, and is only slightly heavier than its "i" counterpart, and it has a slide keyboard + a touchscreen keyboard. Personally i think i would rather replace the batteries myself than go through the trouble of not having my iphone for a week or two.([URL='http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97-2615.php']here[/URL]) [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]Again do you have a source for this or just hearsay? Apple didn't "steal" anything they purchased a company called FingerWorks in 2005 and their technology led to the iPhone/Touch screen, as well as other apples products.[/QUOTE] [URL='http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/10/23/2009-10-23_nokia_sues_apple_over_royalties.html']Here[/URL] and [URL='http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1051001/company-claims-apple-stole-screen-software']here[/URL]. [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]Just lying thieves then?[/QUOTE] Yes, Much like any other technology giant, they could claim they invented the wheel, and they would probably win because they have the better lawyers. [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]I'm confused here...if you said "its the same with nvidia and intel" that would've made sense. But what does nvidia and ati have to do with OS's?[/QUOTE] I meant graphics not OS's [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]The OS doesn't have it "disabled", there isn't a hidden feature that will turn flash on. Adobe would need to port a version to the iPhone OS, and although they have tried, Apple still doesn't want it.[/QUOTE] The [URL='http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-applications-games/167861-flash-player-cpu-hog.html#post909909']Source[/URL] that you gave could have been running a computer from 20 years ago, he never stated any other information. Apple has a habit of hiding things then charging you extra for hardware you've already purchased just to activate it. Much like Bluetooth for the ipod touch. Neither [URL='http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000037-264.html']HTML5 nor Flash[/URL] are perfect. Apple [URL='http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/googles-dont-be-evil-mantra-is-bull****-adobe-is-lazy-apples-steve-jobs/']Dosn't[/URL] like adobe and steve jobs just seems to attack the company for being lazy rather than fixing his "Creativity goes only far as i say so" attitude, limiting app designers to only using a mac. [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]iPad is one of the smallest and lightest netbooks in existence thanks to the virtual keyboard and multitouch screen. Netbooks can't play games, you can't use them for video editing, good luck trying to program on one of those tiny screens. The only thing is this brand new device has over 140,000 apps that work on it right out of the box, and it hasn't begun shipping yet. Imagine the apps that will be iPad specific, maybe a DJ app? They demoed an amazing drawing app thats similar to GIMP/Photoshop but optimized for the touch screen.[/QUOTE] Imagine actually trying to edit graphics on a touchscreen that size??? cool for about 5 minutes.... The 140,000 apps that work out of the box are simply a marketing ploy, their designed for the iphone and netbooks have almost a million app like software that works "out of the box" imagine playing tap tap on a screen thats the size of the ipad. Net books can play almost any caliber of game the ipad can, while running something else in the background. [QUOTE=Ret.Xander=US=]But the reason I like to reference the most because people don't really know about it, but Windows was a clone of the original Macintosh software (not the Apple II or Lisa, the Macintosh). Gates stole it from Apple, and then beat him to the release date. Obviously the updates since then have been all Microsoft. But that event is one reason that Apple fights hard for its patents and goes to great lengths to prevent leaks within the company. Even better, the infamous MS-DOS which Bill Gates sold to IBM when he literally had nothing to show for it, he just convinced him that what he (didn't) have was what they needed. When they agreed to buy it, Gates bought the OS from a small development company for around $60k.[/QUOTE] True but not the entire story, The OS's as we know them are different from the initial releases, Microsoft actually stole what is widely known as Macintosh's product. But rather a computer engineer that studied alongside Bill gates in MIT invented Windows(although it wasn't called this), Gates stole the idea and used Microsoft as a tool and apple product for further "ideas" to base his version of the so called OS. Of course you cannot prove things like this much like you cannot prove who invented the wheel. People who say otherwise are labeled "Conspiracy theorists".

[Guest Conman51]

Sorry if this will seem a bit rushed, im a little busy Ok addressing Xanders post: First iFail, iTunes, there are so many better and cheaper ways to get music on your i pod, charging a buck per song is not one of them, many times you cant even find what your looking for, but this discussion is about the iPad I though sources were not needed anymore because i thought every one already agreed, this is basically a glorified book reader, and personally, book readers are useless, i rather buy a book for cheap and have it physically in my hand, here are some other defects too, this link also gives some pros too, but there arent many honestly [url]http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-first-hands-on/[/url] [quote='Ret.Xander=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59343#post59343']What do you guys think? [url]http://www.apple.com/ipad/[/url][/QUOTE] [quote='Ret.Xander=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59579#post59579'] Apparently you couldn't find sources like you said so you're just going to go with more of your Apple bashing. I'm curious what was the first iFail? The iPod which changed music as we know it? Or perhaps the iPhone that made every smartphone made pre-2008 look like it was from the 80s, and how every new phone that comes out is compared to it? You realize that your posts make u look just like someone in the back of a room that automatically jeers if you ever hear "Apple" muttered. Besides saying "omfgz itz a epic failbox lulz !!!!!!11!1!!!one!!one!1" maybe some concrete criticism? [/QUOTE] also a little OT but you asked for my opinion, i gave it to you, i dont see why you need to go to personal childish attacks like these in hopes of defending a product from apple also i have used apple products before, ive used my friends iphone and i have an ipod, and those are good things apple has made, but i really dont see any good use or purpose for this iPad that a laptop or smart phone cant handle mush better band now to lighten up this hate filled thread i brought Hitler :D * warning some language* he honestly agrees with me :p and hes right sorry got to go play PR now :D

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

Awesome. I'm glad this isn't dead. I'm in class now, and heading to the bar shortly after. But I will have responses to this soon.

[Guest RET.CW4.ThievingSix=US=]

Will be waiting to see :D

[Guest DeKarbon]

Apple bashing is always fun. I was actually forced to watch this documentary about Bill Gates's life just last semester in Business Foundations. Of course, it didn't go any deeper than the tragedies and whatnot that happened during Bill's rise to power. Tell me how the iPad can be useful to the average person that makes the average wage.

[Guest Conman51]

[quote='PVT.DeKarbon=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59864#post59864']Apple bashing is always fun. I was actually forced to watch this documentary about Bill Gates's life just last semester in Business Foundations. Of course, it didn't go any deeper than the tragedies and whatnot that happened during Bill's rise to power. Tell me how the iPad can be useful to the average person that makes the average wage.[/QUOTE] Or even how it would be useful to gamers like us, who mostly have cool lap tops and cellphones :p

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

[quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785'] I think the ipad is controlled far too heavily by apple, and you can only do what apple says you can, it seems like your renting their hardware for $599(even though they make almost 3x the cost of producing one)[/quote] Apple is a company that controls both its software and hardware, they've been like that since the beginning. Hardly any other company does that, Microsoft is normally just on the software side and then you have companies like Asus, Western Digital, ect. who make the hardware and its up to them to make sure the drivers work with an OS. Whats nice about that is that as a consumer you have a better choice in the type of hardware your putting into your machine. Whats bad is that you're relying on a 3rd party company to make sure its parts work with another parties software. The infamous Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) is mainly caused by bad drivers written by hardware manufacturers which can bring your whole system crashing down. Apple on the other hand has control over this and prevents such things from happening. By allowing only hardware they know works or was designed for their software they stop those kind of system crashes from ever being a possibility. The Apple slogan "it just works" is a good pointer to how they operate. By allowing 3rd parties take over their device they can cause it to crash or behave erratically. Anyone who has jailbroken an iPhone or made a Hackint0sh can tell you when you mess around with non-apple hardware your chances of a crash are much much higher. As for the price the total cost for the 16GB (smallest) version of the iPad is about $290, so their markup is less than 50%. [url=http://www.ibtimes.com/blogs/articles/13019/20100129/apples-ipad-real-cost-is-270.htm]source[/url] Which is small for a debut product like the iPad, the iPhone came out at $499 for the 4GB model or $599 for the 8GB model. It was one of the fastest selling phone of all time. And look at it now, its $99 for a 3G or $199 for a 3Gs. Anyone in the industry will tell you as an [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_adopter]early adopter[/url] you know going in that the price is going to be high and the feature set isn't fully there. I paid $662 (incl. tax) for my first iPhone 2G and to this day I still think its the best purchase I ever made because it was worth it. Even before the App store the phone was 100x better than any other phone out there. I paid the price because two months later Apple took $200 off the price tag. Whose to say they won't do that again for the iPad? Apple has already said it will stay "nimble" to keep the iPad competitive price wise. [url=http://www.cultofmac.com/report-apple-flexible-on-ipad-pricing/29488]source[/url] [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785'] As you will see with my later post, steve jobs says that he wants to bridge the gap between laptops and smartphones, if he is leaning towards a laptop he didn't get there, for the simple reason of no multi-tasking[/quote] You again are trying to compare Apples to Oranges with a laptop and the iPad. In his keynote he said netbooks, again I ask you read the wiki on netbooks. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netbook]Wiki - Netbooks[/url] [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785'] if he is leaning towards a smartphone, you cant make calls on the ipad.[/quote] False, you can use any VoIP client like Skype to make phone calls on the iPad. After lifted that restriction right around the time of the iPad announcement. [url=http://gizmodo.com/5458498/apple-now-allowing-voip-over-3g-could-ipad-calls-be-next]source[/url] The first source you listed [url=http://mobilementalism.com/2009/02/03/toshiba-tg01-offers-largest-screen-and-fastest-processor-of-any-smartphone/]here[/url] even says at the end:[quote]I don’t think [b]Apple[/b], Google or even Palm have anything to worry about with the TG01, but other Windows Mobile phones, such as the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1, could take a real battering from Toshiba’s new baby.[/quote] But I'm assuming your referring to the 1GHz snapdragon CPU inside it. That chip came out after the last iPhone update and you can be sure that the next iPhone will have a CPU close to that speed. Not to mention the iPad's CPU is 1GHz and custom built for the iPad. That chip is already in 3-4 other phones that I know of and isn't unique. As for that second source, besides being an article that just goes over the basics of the iPad from just after the announcement, doesn't say anything bad about it. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785'] My nokia N97 promises 40hr of music and delivers 35 hours under normal use, which i think is pretty good and beats the iphone's 30hr audio rating. The nokia n97 is a smartphone and has removable batteries, and is only slightly heavier than its "i" counterpart, and it has a slide keyboard + a touchscreen keyboard. Personally i think i would rather replace the batteries myself than go through the trouble of not having my iphone for a week or two.[/quote] Ahhhhh so it all makes sense now. You bought the N97 which tries to beat the iPhone in specs alone. Its funny how you've been complaining about prices when your phone costs much more than the iPhone and has the Symbian OS which is slowly becoming obsolete thanks to Andriod. Even CNET doesn't like that phone, [quote=CNET]THE BOTTOM LINE: While the Nokia N97 is packed with features and offers the freedom of an unlocked phone, its clunky touch interface, sky-high price tag, and outdated operating system make it hard to recommend when there are better touch-screen smartphones on the market.[/quote] [url=http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/nokia-n97-silver-unlocked/4505-6452_7-33421200.html]source[/url] As for not having your phone for a week or two, you are just spurting out what you don't know. If you've ever taken an Apple product into a Apple store to get fixed you'll find how organized they are. I've taken in a G4 tower, an eMac, iMac, Macbook, and most recently my iPhone to the Apple store. This was over a period of at least 10 years and some of these belonged to family members. They are all serviced very quickly and as time went on the newer models made it easier for the "Geniuses" to fix them. But to get to my point, they can open up and replace an iPhones screen, battery, and several other interior parts while you're in the store. When they replaced my screen it took them no longer than 5-10 min to bring it back. The battery replacement is no different. As for your sources for Apple "stealing" from other companies, you side stepped your claim of them stealing touch technology to just "Apple has stolen before." [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785']Ill admit the touch screen is good, and is one of the best, but its not an innovation, wacom had something similar out before apple even thought of touch screens, and most companies will simply say the technology was "inspired" by someone else when really it was "stolen".[/quote] Microsoft gets sued weekly by companies claiming patent infringement, they just had a settlement over a patent in their Office program. Big companies get threatened with these lawsuits all the time, and you know what? Most of the time they win, because the other people are just trying to get some money from big companies. Both those articles just say that Apple is getting sued, not that they lost the lawsuit. Nokia is just getting scared because they are slowly getting wiped out for not adapting to newer times. ITS MORE THAN JUST HARDWARE! [quote='QUOTE=PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785']The [URL='http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-applications-games/167861-flash-player-cpu-hog.html#post909909']Source[/URL] that you gave could have been running a computer from 20 years ago, he never stated any other information. [/quote] I was just giving you an example, though that thread is from 2009 and you can assume he doesn't have a PPC computer since they havn't been made since 05, but I digress. Its a known issue that Flash just sucks on a Mac, its terrible for laptops because it will hit your resources like you're playing a high end game when you instead are just watching a clip. Here is a thread with someone using a newer mac: [url=http://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/when_using_adobe_flash_player_10_why_is_there_high_cpu_memory_usage_100_utilization]link[/url] [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785']Apple has a habit of hiding things then charging you extra for hardware you've already purchased just to activate it. Much like Bluetooth for the ipod touch. [/quote] The Bluetooth functionality wasn't released until firmware 3.0 and Apple has charged touch owners $9.99 for every update, while the iPhones update is subsidized so its free. The only other time I can think something like this happened was with the 802.11n chip in some macbooks. Although it doesn't seem fair, Apple is not the only company to use such tactics, the first example I could find is [url=http://www.joystiq.com/2007/09/20/nhl-2k8-charges-5-to-unlock-feature-already-on-game/]here[/url] but I promise I can find more since this is slowly becoming more and more common. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=59785#post59785']Neither [URL='http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20000037-264.html']HTML5 nor Flash[/URL] are perfect. [/quote] Of course HTML5 isn't perfect, its only a few months old. Flash has been around since 1996. (Remember Macromedia?) But what beats them both out of the water is Microsoft Silverlight. This is a thing of web beauty, every Sunday night I would watch the NFL football game on NBCsports.com because it used Silverlight and it is by far the best football watching experience i've ever had. Seriously flash is pure piss and if you ask web developers about it, they will agree with me. And I mean really ask someone, don't just google for someone and say "there". Try and actually find one thats done programming in flash. [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=5978#post5978']Imagine actually trying to edit graphics on a touchscreen that size??? cool for about 5 minutes....[/quote] Yea I can and it looks awesome. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pMZzQpiJ9c]Youtube vid[/url] [quote='PV2.ThievingSix=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=5978#post5978']The 140,000 apps that work out of the box are simply a marketing ploy, their designed for the iphone and netbooks have almost a million app like software that works "out of the box" imagine playing tap tap on a screen thats the size of the ipad. Net books can play almost any caliber of game the ipad can, while running something else in the background.[/quote] You think devs are just going to be like "oh well it works for the iphone no need to take advantage of the iPads power and screen size." Of course not, they will make iPad versions or edit the current version to work differently on the two. Tap Tap I assume will be much better, more than just 3 spaces to tap and probably a lot cooler visuals. Just because it doesn't exist now (the thing isn't even on the streets yet) doesn't mean it won't get made soon. ThievingSix, I really feel like you are basing much of what you think you know on what other people have said and not your own experiences. It is clear at least a handful of these topics you have had no personal experience but try and use hearsay (yes i'll use that again because it fits) to back up your claims. Conman, explain these cheaper and easier ways? Besides pirating of course. For me iTunes is the best music player for organizing and listening/viewing you're media. It also has its store built right in. The closest application to compare it to is the Zune's and i've used it and it has a lot of room for improvement. As for your opinion I guess I did get critical of your's and I'm sorry about that. But I was also hoping for a more informed response than some Apple bashing. I give credit to ThievingSix for trying to explain his point of view and source it. All you did was drop one link about the cons of the iPad and call it a day. I respect your opinion, but I won't take it seriously since you don't really seem to have any background information but your own anti-Apple feelings. Sorry this took so long to respond to. I knew it would take a long time and I didn't have enough to set aside to finish it.

[Guest Conman51]

I don't have anti apple feelings just anti ipad feelings, also the cheaper legal ways of getting music is get out of your house go buy a CD for cheap and get mode music then rip it and put it on your iPod

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

A average CD is like $12-13 when an album on iTunes is $9.99 where are you saving money? Oh the gas u use driving to Best Buy or Borders or w/e....yea thats cheaper.

[Guest DeKarbon]

He's got a point there, Conman. And get this topic back on track. What about the freaking iPad? What can it do that no other netbook out there can? And I go to WalMart for my CDs

[Guest Conman51]

I can get them for 8-10 and get moremusic on them but it depends on who it is and stuff But let's say I tunes is cheaper, ok so what can the ipad do that a net book can't? Read a book? I really don't see the point of buying this 500 dollar thing to read books when I can just get the book for like 9

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

Again, where are u buying your books? An average book is closer to $20, eBooks are cheaper. Plus it could be a revive of the Comic Book. [url=http://gizmodo.com/5463681/comic-books-will-look-incredible-on-the-ipad]Take a look[/url] Whether or not you like them, it will be a big increase in that market. Thats just one example.

[Guest Conman51]

When I say book I mean a novel,I buy them at Barnes and noble for lile6 bucks Is a ipad really cheaper than a book, if you look at the net cost? 500 for the ipad, then pay for the book and tell me its cheaper

[Guest Big Mac150]

What are they going to do with the comics? Oh no don't tell me, there going to put an "i" in front of it! And then it will become iComic, how original.

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

[quote='PO1.Big Mac150=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60303#post60303']What are they going to do with the comics? Oh no don't tell me, there going to put an "i" in front of it! And then it will become iComic, how original.[/QUOTE] Apple has nothing to do with the comics, it just so happens that the iPad screen is almost exactly the same size as a comic book page. [url=http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/panelfly-comic-book-reader-for-ipad/]Link[/url] [url=http://www.panelfly.com/ipad/]Here[/url] is a direct link to the Panelfly site. Also Disney bought Marvel comics, and Steve Jobs is on the board of directors for Disney due to his creation of Pixar which was bought by Disney a long time ago. [url=http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/02/01/ipads-secret-weapon-marvel-comics/]link[/url]

[Guest RET.GEN.Kraor]

I-Pad at this point is just a super-sized I-Pod. But, it is simple. Simple, a lot of the time, drives the market. It may fail, time will tell. But the way it presents apps will probably not fail. We "super-users, geeks, nerds, whatever you want to call us" are the exception to the rule. We thrive on OS level access, editing, reverse-engineering, poking around, etc. But your average Joe or Jane likes simple. With an I-Pad, they can browse the net, update their facebook, text their friends, play their games, draw a picture, watch a movie, listn to their music, write a letter, update a spreadsheet or powerpoint (not sure on this one), and check their email. But basically everything they need to do. AND they dont have to worry about updating their OS, installing and updating antivirus, anti-spyware, or anything else thats "techie". This is a big selling point. The only thing I think that they wont like is that people dislike virtual keyboards. I know you can get the dock with keyboard, but I wouldn't want to carry it around with me. If they would open it up to other carriers than just AT&T it would fly further too. I would say kids/college students will like them quite well. Especially if they could take notes on them. I wouldn't mind having one for an added toy, especially for traveling. But for me at least, it would not replace my P.C.

[Guest Conman51]

[quote='Ret.Xander=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60314#post60314'] Also Disney bought Marvel comics, [url=http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/02/01/ipads-secret-weapon-marvel-comics/]link[/url][/QUOTE] NNNNOOOOOoooooooooooo This better not mess up the Iron man 2 movie! i dont want any singalong songs with some cartoon looking robot [quote='GEN.Kraor','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60320#post60320'] If they would open it up to other carriers than just AT&T it would fly further too. [/QUOTE] agreed

[Guest Ret.Maj.Xander=US=]

[quote=GEN.Kraor]...update a spreadsheet or powerpoint (not sure on this one)[/quote] You are very correct, Apple has made a version of their office suite iWork that is optimized for the iPad. A clip can be seen [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBPnB3noTa8]here on youtube[/url]. [quote=Conman51]NNNNOOOOOoooooooooooo This better not mess up the Iron man 2 movie! i dont want any singalong songs with some cartoon looking robot [/quote] Yeah the Disney buyout of Marvel was completed at the beginning of the year. It [url=http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/28897/Disney+Completes+Marvel+Buyout]just[/url] happened. Not sure how I feel about it, but then again most of the Marvel comic book movies are PG-13 at max anyway. I refuse to watch another Spider-Man movie. They have gotten exponentially worse, and Spider Man 4 is going to be no different. The violent and R rated ones are normally DC comics like The Watchmen, Batman(C. Bale versions) The Spirit[sucked].