Guest Conman51 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31613039#31613039[/url] it makes me want to play PR so BAD!!! AGH!!! especially since its in Korengal and they just like start shooting random crap at the enemies direction...and the SAW with the ELCAN...reminds me so much of PR its crazy.. :/ im an addict... watching this vid actaully makes me believe the statistic that %99 of bullets fired actually dont hit a real target second vid from the same guy, pretty intense! [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c8f_1242412787[/url] lol @ the goats at 51 seconds heres 8 months after that [url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/31671365#31671365[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.CW5.Ward Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Well it is hard to hit a target if you don't know where the target exactly is... Those little smartasses took out all there tracer rounds too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fuzzy Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 [quote='CSM. Ward','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=50953#post50953']Well it is hard to hit a target if you don't know where the target exactly is... [B]Those little smartasses took out all there tracer rounds too[/B][/QUOTE] that's a good strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.CW5.Ward Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 Never say thier strategy is good even if it is. Say they are adapting thier TTPs to counter ours. Feel free to call them Douchebags as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conman51 Posted June 30, 2009 Share Posted June 30, 2009 [quote='CSM. Ward','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=50961#post50961']Never say thier strategy is good even if it is. Say they are adapting thier TTPs to counter ours. Feel free to call them Douchebags as well.[/QUOTE] lol ok EAT 40mm DOUCHEBAGS!!!!!! but seriously, about the tracers, if you want to show friendlies where the enemy is tracers help, but if you are ambushing tracers dont, so..it really depends on the situation if its a good tactic or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest EvilWaffles Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Like COD4 taught me, Tracer's work both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conman51 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 updated with a second and third vid from the same guy..its kinda creepy becasue the fight just starts and stops in like minutes its just like: BULLETS FLYING for 5 mins no bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SilentScout^ Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 In my eyes I think its dumb to post vids of what we do in fire fights, it just gives the enemy a better Idea of what we do and how we do it like Ward said, they are addapting to our TTPs. You all might think this is cool but try being the one under that helmet, its very scary trust me , I have been there and done it. Any ways it gives y'all an idea how crazy things can get and dont even know excactly where the enemy is firing from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SilentScout^ Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 [quote='SGT.Conman51=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=50948#post50948']watching this vid actaully makes me believe the statistic that %99 of bullets fired actually dont hit a real target[/QUOTE] not every bullet will hit, its the fact we suppress to try to scare them away til we call for fire or call in air, I be stupid if I stuck my head out there for a period of time to get an aimed shot while a hail of bullets are coming at me, I am going to suppress and call it in if we cant flank them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conman51 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 [quote='SSgt.Scout^=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=50979#post50979']In my eyes I think its dumb to post vids of what we do in fire fights, it just gives the enemy a better Idea of what we do and how we do it like Ward said, they are addapting to our TTPs. You all might think this is cool but try being the one under that helmet, its very scary trust me , I have been there and done it. Any ways it gives y'all an idea how crazy things can get and dont even know excactly where the enemy is firing from.[/QUOTE] he said he did it to learn from his mistakes in combat but then the media gets it...then we get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.SCPO.Mystical=US= Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 [quote='SGT.Conman51=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=50948#post50948']watching this vid actaully makes me believe the statistic that %99 of bullets fired actually dont hit a real target [/QUOTE] Tell that to the people that actually got hit. Statistics are nice and all but don't forget that when 99% of 1.000.000 bullets miss, 10.000 bullets won't miss. For those who are in active service; Did you learn to fight like the Viper Co. did in the first 2 videos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.CW5.Ward Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Mystical, Its basic react to contact/ambush. Contact, seek cover, get positive ID, return fire, call higher, then comes weither to stay and fight, leave, flank etc. or call in fire/air support/reenforcements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.SCPO.Mystical=US= Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 I have to admit I was quite shocked to see their response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.CW5.Ward Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 Well the video only played untill they started to call for air support so I dont know what happened after that. All units do things different, they get trained to Army standard then get trained by thier leaders on the way they want things done. Anyone could sharpshoot how they reacted but as long as they reacted and no one was killed or injured its alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conman51 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 [quote='CSM. Ward','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=50991#post50991']Mystical, Its basic react to contact/ambush. Contact, seek cover, get positive ID, [B]return fire[/B], call higher, then comes weither to stay and fight, leave, flank etc. or call in fire/air support/reenforcements.[/QUOTE] yea it doesnt really matter how they do it, just shoot back And a question for Ward, isnt V supposed to be Victor, not Viper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bjtardiff Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 thats for the alphabet the squad names do not need to follow the alphabet they typically follow 1st squad and such for squads. I believe the squads make up a name that they call themselves rather then 1st squad or such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SilentScout^ Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 [quote='CSM. Ward','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=50991#post50991']Mystical, Its basic react to contact/ambush. Contact, seek cover, get positive ID, return fire, call higher, then comes weither to stay and fight, leave, flank etc. or call in fire/air support/reenforcements.[/QUOTE] you said it all, thats all we have to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.SCPO.Mystical=US= Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 [quote='SSgt.Scout^=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=51006#post51006']you said it all, thats all we have to do[/QUOTE] If I, as a Netherlands Platoon Commander, reacted to enemy fire the way viper company did, the would take my platoon from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conman51 Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 [quote='SMSgt.Mystical=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=51025#post51025']If I, as a Netherlands Platoon Commander, reacted to enemy fire the way viper company did, the would take my platoon from me.[/QUOTE] Why, waste of ammo? Or was it the taking cover part? I dont see why what they did would of been so bad in the Netherlands. You stick your head out behind a wall thats taking fire and try to make a well aimed shot. They knew where the enemy was, they were taking fire, why not shoot back? The Canadians seem to fight pretty much the same way. Mybe with a little more spraying even. (Language in vid) [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=l0CmeqzggnM[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.SCPO.Mystical=US= Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 [quote='SGT.Conman51=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=51026#post51026'] You stick your head out behind a wall thats taking fire and try to make a well aimed shot. [/QUOTE] Exactly. Firing 40 MM rounds or anti-tank rockets without actually aiming the thing, close to an Afghan village is just not done. Air support, mortar fire and artillery fire at a hilltop because they think the enemy is shooting from that direction? Machine guns firing constantly hoping they hit someone? We learn to fire 3 rounds each towards the enemy i(global direction) in a split second, then find out EXACTLY where they are, and then take them out. They wouldn't only take my platoon from me but I'm pretty sure I'd have to find another career too. I'll bet you think our drills are too conservative, but they work so that's how we do things. I'm sure your drills get the job done too, but it's more violent than needed in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SilentScout^ Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 [quote='SMSgt.Mystical=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=51030#post51030']I'll bet you think our drills are too conservative, but they work so that's how we do things. I'm sure your drills get the job done too, but it's more violent than needed in my opinion.[/QUOTE] we have certian TTPs to follow, and what they are doing is everything we would do in this situation, its all about how we have more fire power than you back off, but yeah I agree if you are going to waste a AT4 rocket why not hit something, 40MM rounds can not be aimed very acurate just a vacinity of where its going to hit, you have to walk the rounds in it not hard. These enemies dont have anything to live for so everything they are around, you are darn right I am destroting everything in sight, I am there to show them whose the boss. Its not the fact that Artillary rounds always miss, its the spotters job (mine) to walk the rounds in on the objective. We always go out with more than enough ammo just in case we have a crazy fight like the one you saw. We take cover, and surpress on the enemy til artillary or air is available, works everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.CW5.Ward Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 They aimed the rocket and M203. Have you ever fired a 203? You don't have to use the leaf sights to know where your aiming, its a pretty easy weapon to aim. With the rocket he used the little pop-out sights. The SAWs main role is suppressive fire, I carry a SAW along with over 1,200 rounds just for me, its lays down fire to get the enemys head down and draws thier attention so others can move to cover or better positions or engage them themselfs. The new rules for Afghan. state if they can get away safely from contact near urban areas to do so. Do you actually think they could have just walked out of there with out engaging them? No. They were pinned down and it was a set up ambush with several enemy positions. So they returned heavy fire with heavier fire power. What good would instantly firing 3 rounds do when you don't know where the enemy is or whats around them? It could be a guy in a crowded area poping off rounds with a AK. Bam your 3 rounds fired hit and kill random civilians makes the whole city hate CF. That is why US forces first seek cover, idenify the threat, then engage but only with a safe back drop and PID. But every situation is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SilentScout^ Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 us Scouts just dont care we get in and get out, we deal with other problems at a later time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.SCPO.Mystical=US= Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 [quote='CSM. Ward','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=51033#post51033'] It could be a guy in a crowded area poping off rounds with a AK. Bam your 3 rounds fired hit and kill random civilians makes the whole city hate CF. [/QUOTE] We do exactly the same thing as those SAW gunners did, except we fire 3 rounds and they fire hundreds. In the first video, it looked like the engaged first and identified after. Looked like a Spray and Pray action. If the insurgent has a kid on his lap and one of our 3 bullets hits the kid, that sucks. The SAW gunners however would not only have shot the kid, they would have shot it to pieces. With that kind of uncontrolled heavy reaction fire, you'll be lucky if you could find a toe of the victim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RET.CW5.Ward Posted July 2, 2009 Share Posted July 2, 2009 Every situation is different, every military reacts a different way. We can sharpshoot all we want but if it gets the job done.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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