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[quote='SFC.gamerk2=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=46595#post46595']I'll have a cheaper one in a few minutes. Duo's are dead; already the majority of games are showing major gains (10+) FPS with Quads. And with LGA 775 obsolete, I see no reason to build a new PC using that chipset.[/QUOTE] Can you show me stats? That AMD CPU and Mobo is crap. 775 is not obsolete. The I7s just recently came out. But are nowhere near affordable on a budget build. What are you running atm gamer?
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The cost is nearly identical between Duo's and Quads. Even the i7 CPU is priced around the same (mobo's/DDR3 to follow?) Example: E8600: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115054&Tpk=e8600[/url] (3.33 GHz, $269) Q9550: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041[/url] (2.83 GHz, $279) i7 920: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202[/url] (2.66 GHz, $279) E8500: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115036[/url] (3.16 GHz, $189) Q9450: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115131[/url] (2.66 GHz, $229) And just for kicks: Q6600: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017[/url] (2.4 GHz, $199) Above is a pattern that repeats, and with more and more programs and games being coded to support multiple CPU cores (Lost Planet and the Unreal Engine are prime examples), there is little reason to buy a highly clocked Duo instead of a highly clocked quad. Another option would be to wait for the i5 arch, which is the consumer version of the i7 processor. Not only should this be competitive with Quads/Duo's, it will cause price pressure on those chips, making them even cheaper. And for the record, my QX9650 is currently clocked at 4.2 GHz (thank you LC!), so I plan to skip the whole i7 arch alltogether, as I know I have enough CPU muscle.
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And i meant stats as in benchmarks showing the quads out performing the C2D in gaming. so your telling me lets say the $189-199 range the Q6600 will out perform the E8500? You are also comparing things that are way out of his budget. I mean heck if i wanted to blow a crap load of money now I'd have: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115200[/url] [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188047[/url] [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231248[/url] [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130449[/url] x2 With a nice water cooling setup on the CPU and 2 GPUs.
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I gave those for the sake of comparision. And the reason I listed the Q6600, is it can easily clock to 3.2 with just a boost to the FSB, without even touching the voltage (hence, the reason the chip's price is still so high comparitivly). And in games like GTAIV, yes, a stock Q6600 will beat a E8500 clock for clock. [url]http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,669595/GTA-4-PC-CPU-benchmark-review-with-13-processors/Reviews/?page=2[/url] (Note, some of the Duo processers are OC'd) Also, this is a good look at how more and more recent games clearly benifit from Quads: [url]http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scaling-in-games-with-quad-core-processors/3[/url] You can clearly see what games are GPU limited, but more and more games are taking advantage of those extra two cores (the above GTA benchmark, and WiC are good examples). And as GPU's get more powerful, Duos start to really show their age: [url]http://www.guru3d.com/article/core-i7-multigpu-sli-crossfire-game-performance-review/6[/url] Granted, this compares an i7 to a E8400, but it does show how extra cores make up for clock speed in the majority of newly released games (i7's perform around the same as Quads in non-threaded games, so there is enough relevence in the article). And as GPU's get more powerful, old CPU's age far more rapidly. Hence, why I don't like LGA775 for new systems, as AMD has the better non-i7 upgrade path (Phenom II's, up to 6 cores later this year). BTW, this is my final build for him: CPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103300[/url] ($65) MOBO: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128387[/url] ($110) GPU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102802[/url] ($154) RAM: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227362[/url] [Buy two of these] ($88 ) PSU: [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182017[/url] ($49) Total Cost: $466 Again, made sure there was an upgrade path to Phenon II's later on, which I feel is essential, especially when the 6 core variety releases late this year. Unlike a LGA 775 system, he won't have to rip out the Mobo and CPU when he needs to upgrade, and will still satisfy what he wants now.
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[quote='SFC.gamerk2=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=46668#post46668'] Unlike a LGA 775 system, he won't have to rip out the Mobo and CPU when he needs to upgrade, and will still satisfy what he wants now.[/QUOTE] Yes because later on it would be impossible to drop a Q9650 (when they have dropped in price) in later on when it's time to upgrade. AMD can't hold up to intel at least not now. And that 7750 gets smoked across the boards. [url]http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1687/3/amd_athlon_x2_7750_be_2_7ghz_cpu_phenom_goes_dual_core/index.html[/url]
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[quote='CPL.Fuzzy=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=46491#post46491']Well I'd get at least a 9800GTX+ Aka the new GTS 250.[/QUOTE] Agreed [quote='CPL.Fuzzy=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=46491#post46491']Get a Core2Duo over a Quad, Not much use for them atm. [/quote] Not true, people said the same when dual cores came out and now if you are still using a single core CPU your way behind the times. Go quad core, you'll be kicking yourself later. [quote='CPL.Fuzzy=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=46491#post46491']Also if you want 4GB of ram you have to have a 64bit Operating System.[/quote] Once again not true, Vista 32-bit can see 4 GB fine, that was an error fixed with SP1. I also can't believe people are still suggesting XP to people with these kind of systems. People have such a hatred for Vista for some reason when you look past all the bull$hit its a better OS than XP, i'm sorry it's true, get over it. You don't even have to wait that long since Windows 7 will be out before the end of summer, and Win7 is the best OS i've ever used on a PC, and can run on machines that can't run Vista. It is getting annoying when people are still saying how a 8 year old OS is so good compared to the newer ones. Most of Vista's fault was on the 3rd parties and driver developers being like the rest of the world....lazy, too lazy to take advantage of a new system when the old one works fine. People hate change, they are the same people that *****ed at facebook when it changed its look, then it changes its look awhile later again and people want the old-new one back (the one they previously hated so much). People just hate when they have to change the things they become used to, even if its better for them in the long run. So after that rant, please invest in something newer than XP, either get Vista or you can nab a beta of Win7, the RC build of Win7 is going to be publicly available in may. Both are much better than XP.
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Xander, Vista and 7 are fine if you have 3+ GB of memory. I had Vista with SP1 and It used all my memory (2GB) really hurt my fps, 7 Sound amazing, but from what I hear Punkbuster doesn't play nice with 7 So I wouldn't recommend that for now. He has XP pro which is fine, In fact he can have way more than 4+ GB or ram with it. Vista is fine if you have 3 or more GB of memory. 7 Sounds good but I'd wait for PB to support it. And the reason I suggested a Duel core over a Quad is it's cheaper, and I can only think of 2 games that support 4 cores atm anyway.
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