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He said that he let me of with a warning. He had yet to follow my request as to see his Badge Number. And he only told me and my friends to go on that train, not anyone else that was in a group of people. I have had alot of bad incounters with cops before. There was one time where there was a fight on the Train Platfrom and the perps hid in the train. The police came and stoped the train to look for the 3 kids. Then when i was walking behind one cop, he snapped his tazer stick at me and told me to back the **** off. But that is not as bad and unfair as to what happend 4 days ago.
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Good luck trying to be a cop right out of HS or with a GED, cause if the department is worth a damn you wont get hired there. You might think they just harass students and write tickets but there also out there stopping the drunk douche from beating his wife, and people breaking into cars. Stopping underage drinking prevents that underage girl out there from getting taken advantage of, and that lucky guy that could end up getting charged with rape because an intoxicated person can not give consent due to being impaired. Or maybe after the party some drunk person decides its a good idea to drive and crashes killing himself or others. Just 2 weeks ago a car with 3 soldiers in it decided to go that route and had a head on collision with a pick-up truck the driver of the truck lived, the drunk driver lived too as they most always do, and the 2 passengers were dead on scene. The impact alone was enough to kill them instantly traveling 83MPH, causing the seat belts to snap due to the TA-50 gear hitting the back of the seat.
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[quote='GEN.Kraor','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60711#post60711']And don't worry about Xander.. he has anti-authority issues. He gets it from too many bad drugs with his hippie friends.. :) j/k Xander, but I love funnin with you.[/QUOTE] My drugs are fine :lol: And the difference between a Doctor and a Cop is about 8+ years of school in classes MUCH more difficult. The classes a Cop has to take isn't Physics and Calculus, they learn about much simpler concepts. Again which leads me to my opinion that they are less educated, as Kraor had me put it, mindless thugs. I know you can't just up and be a Cop, there are courses you need to take. But just about anyone can take them. It's not like its the MCAT. The "Mayberry Town" has a population of about 60,000 which isn't big by many standards but bigger than most towns in Iowa. I was born and raised in the Chicago suburbs in a town of well over 100k where cops are no different. I am not getting into a debate about underage drinking as I think the laws on that in this country are outdated and need to be re-examined. Ask any of our Euro clan mates and see how horrible their society is when its ok for teenagers to drink. And not every drunk guy is looking to rape a chick. I hate that stereotype since is basically points at me and my current culture. Although that is closer with the greek community (frats, sororities) which is another system I think is stupid and insane. If a woman hooks up with a guy when shes drunk its her own fault. Only 1/5000 of those cases is it when then guy forces himself on the girl. And the clip was meant to be a joke that coincided with my point. Plus its from a classic movie. Right Kraor? Also I just saw this story: [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-24-new-orleans-police_N.htm[/url]
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[quote='Ret.Xander=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60750#post60750']My drugs are fine :lol: And the difference between a Doctor and a Cop is about 8+ years of school in classes MUCH more difficult. The classes a Cop has to take isn't Physics and Calculus, they learn about much simpler concepts. Again which leads me to my opinion that they are less educated, as Kraor had me put it, mindless thugs. I know you can't just up and be a Cop, there are courses you need to take. But just about anyone can take them. It's not like its the MCAT. The "Mayberry Town" has a population of about 60,000 which isn't big by many standards but bigger than most towns in Iowa. I was born and raised in the Chicago suburbs in a town of well over 100k where cops are no different. I am not getting into a debate about underage drinking as I think the laws on that in this country are outdated and need to be re-examined. Ask any of our Euro clan mates and see how horrible their society is when its ok for teenagers to drink. And not every drunk guy is looking to rape a chick. I hate that stereotype since is basically points at me and my current culture. Although that is closer with the greek community (frats, sororities) which is another system I think is stupid and insane. If a woman hooks up with a guy when shes drunk its her own fault. Only 1/5000 of those cases is it when then guy forces himself on the girl. And the clip was meant to be a joke that coincided with my point. Plus its from a classic movie. Right Kraor? Also I just saw this story: [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-24-new-orleans-police_N.htm[/url][/QUOTE] 1) There is no difference as far as education is concerned regarding health care and law enforcement. To be a doctor, you need 8+ continuing education, to become an FBI Director or Chief of Police, you need just as many years. If you want to be a Nurse, I think it varies from 2 (assistant) to 4. Along with a police officer which also varies (2-4) depending on what department you apply to. The amount of education required depends on how far into the field one wishes to go, and that goes for any and every major in the world. Believe it or not, not too many people can take law enforcement [and successfully graduate], which do not mistake for paralegal classes, as law enforcement classes involve a lot of critical thinking and oh wait...heres the clincher.......COMMON SENSE, which anybody who works or has worked in Public Works, Fire Protection or Law Enforcement would know not too many people have common sense. 2)Underage drinking laws, yes I do agree with you as well that they do need to be fixed, ESPECIALLY here in WI. Its pathetic how you can have 8 DUIs and still be on the road. Underage drinking laws can also be fixed so no argument there. But please understand, it is not the front-line cop that you see day-to-day on the streets who created that law. 3) I really dont understand why you would take offense to the whole drunk guy going to rape a girl comment if you obviously have not done that, and never intend to. I get bashed for going into law enforcement because "all cops are bad" but dont really care because I know that I am not. When I worked in Asset Protection people thought I stopped them because I thought they were stealing, I educated them as to why I was checking their receipt--to verify that they werent incorrectly overcharged or rang up incorrectly. If you are one of the few who gets tanked and are not a violent person, hey kudos to you for being one of the few responsible people out there. 4) Ex New Orleans Lt. pleads guilty to conspiring the death of several people involved in Katrina. Ok. Not to bash doctors and their profession but there has been countless of them who have been convicted of murder. And one big one who is currently on the hot seat for it in the death of Michael Jackson. Again, that does not make them ALL bad. Regardless of which profession you look at, there will always be good and bad ones. Law enforcement happens to be one that interacts with the public daily so it is noticed a whole lot more than others.
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Doctors [url]http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-02-23-doctor-abuse-child-patients_N.htm?csp=hf[/url] [url]http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2010-02-08-michael-jackson-doctor_N.htm[/url] Don't forget the Fort Hood douchebag. And Police do have to learn Physics and Calculus type math, ask any cop who is in Accident/Collision Investigations or Collision Reconstruction. Math is used to find speed based on skid marks, how far a person or object flys from a vehicle, how far a vehicle falls, speed at time of impact, then reaction times/distances etc.
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Yeah the police in NY, especially in Manhattan are a bit on the offensive. But since you guys are kinda young lot's of police dislike the group of kids from Jr. High and High school gathering in public places and causing noise. Trust me I've been living in Manhattan all my life and me and my classmates know when to scatter lol.
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[quote='TermanatorXxX','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60797#post60797']1) There is no difference as far as education is concerned regarding health care and law enforcement. To be a doctor, you need 8+ continuing education, to become an FBI Director or Chief of Police, you need just as many years. If you want to be a Nurse, I think it varies from 2 (assistant) to 4. Along with a police officer which also varies (2-4) depending on what department you apply to. The amount of education required depends on how far into the field one wishes to go, and that goes for any and every major in the world. Believe it or not, not too many people can take law enforcement [and successfully graduate], which do not mistake for paralegal classes, as law enforcement classes involve a lot of critical thinking and oh wait...heres the clincher.......COMMON SENSE, which anybody who works or has worked in Public Works, Fire Protection or Law Enforcement would know not too many people have common sense.[/quote] First off an FBI agent is not in the same boat as a city police officer. Sure a handful of them are smart enough and move on to bigger and better things, but the majority are the run of the mill patrol/vice cops. Chief of Police has to know more about politics than anything else. But you're missing the point. The classes an engineering, physics, biology, mathematics, ect. students take are much more difficult than the classes someone who goes through the academy takes. And Ward those are a select few of the police officers and in general I am referring to the patrol/vice set of cops. This is because the only ones I have ever met have been those. I've never met a detective, or lab analyst, I am sure to reach those positions you require more schooling in that area. [quote='TermanatorXxX','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60797#post60797'] 3) I really dont understand why you would take offense to the whole drunk guy going to rape a girl comment if you obviously have not done that, and never intend to.....If you are one of the few who gets tanked and are not a violent person, hey kudos to you for being one of the few responsible people out there.[/quote] I obviously don't side with those select desperate douche bags. I just hate the stereotype that any guy who goes out and drinks is a sexual predator. While women can go out get hammered and hook up with a guy, but then can turn it into a "he took advantage of me situation". As far as the person I turn into after a few drinks...lets just say i'm more vocal and loud about my opinion if the situation arises. But more than anything I'm in it for a good laugh and a good story. I always feel like its a good night if you get a story out of it. I never get into physical fights because I'm not a primitive cave man and I don't have to puff out my chest if someone says something about me. I absolutely detest meat heads who will try and pick fights over the stupidest reasons. I feel like they just want to justify working out for hours on end every day even though they don't play a sport. Just read a book or go for a run if you want to feel better. I could play the link war all day with you Ward but I know in the end I will find more articles about dirty cops than u can find articles about felon doctors. I really don't want to get into one, this is just to prove a point. [url]http://www.thenews-messenger.com/article/20100224/UPDATES01/100224008/-1/newsfront2[/url] [url]http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/02/providence-officer-indicted-on.html[/url] [url]http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI144425/[/url] [url]http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12023714[/url] [url]http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14484100[/url] [url]http://www.whotv.com/news/who-story-richardson-may-appeal-022510,0,324376.story[/url] [url]http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100226ex-brockton_cop_charged_with_stealing_from_drivers/[/url]
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[QUOTE]I never get into physical fights because I'm not a primitive cave man and I don't have to puff out my chest if someone says something about me. I absolutely detest meat heads who will try and pick fights over the stupidest reasons. I feel like they just want to justify working out for hours on end every day even though they don't play a sport. Just read a book or go for a run if you want to feel better.[/QUOTE] Agree 100%
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PO1.Bigmac, listen. I am not the first person to mention this but the best thing is just to stay polite. If you talk back and act like some tough guy, you'll look stupid because you know you won't win that way. The best thing to do is that if it is serious, report it. Mouthing off won't do anything good for you, wether it's towards a cop or anybody. Yeah if it is a 16 year old that comes to you and starts telling you off you can defend yourself. Defending yourself against a cop by mouthing off is (no offence) stupid. Last summer, there was a robbery at my neighbors house in the afternoon. I was home alone and I saw everything. I called the cops. They obviously got there after the guys left. The alarm probably scared them. Anyways, when the cops got there I went to see them. They asked me all sorts of questions, like all anything you can imagine. I remained respectful to them. They treated me with a lot of respect. You see, you don't have to act like mr tough guy with cops. Respect them, and they will respect you unless you shot someone in the face or stole something. Did you ever find out why the cop was yelling at you? Did you even think of the reasons why he was yelling at you? Did you tell your parents? There must of been a reason for him to start yelling at you because I have never seen a cop come up to someone and randomly start yelling. Think of it this way, yesterday he yelled at you, and today he just saved your life by putting his own in danger. Being a cop isn't always easy. It is not like we see on TV. Were I live, La Surete Du Quebec are very nice people (yeah they have their moody ones). I am pretty sure that not all NYPD cops have powers chips. Like you and I, they also have their good days and their bad days. Mouthing off at a cop is just asking for trouble. Without them, cities would destroy themselves because nobody is there to keep things in order. They are there to protect you, not to randomly ell at you. Ok, enough of my nonesense. I just posted what I thought and I respect what you think as well as what everybody thinks. Bonne Chance, Trajan=US=
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. I could play the link war all day with you Ward, I really don't want to get into one, this is just to prove a point. [url]http://www.thenews-messenger.com/article/20100224/UPDATES01/100224008/-1/newsfront2[/url] [url]http://newsblog.projo.com/2010/02/providence-officer-indicted-on.html[/url] [url]http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI144425/[/url] [url]http://www.nbc-2.com/Global/story.asp?S=12023714[/url] [url]http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14484100[/url] [url]http://www.whotv.com/news/who-story-richardson-may-appeal-022510,0,324376.story[/url] [url]http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100226ex-brockton_cop_charged_with_stealing_from_drivers/[/url][/QUOTE] really? You are not looking for a link/source war? well i say the sky is gray today, not blue, and i dare you to prove me wrong.
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[quote='Ret.Xander=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60931#post60931'] But you're missing the point. The classes an engineering, physics, biology, mathematics, ect. students take are much more difficult than the classes someone who goes through the academy takes.[/QUOTE] My rules of evidence, traffic theory, criminal investigation theory, mathematics and police administration classes just to name a few all involved mathematical material ranging from advanced algebra to calculus to figure out budgeting, physics, bullet impacts, measurements, conversions,etc. And that is just the education--degree part of it alone. People hate the police until a time comes when they need them most. Just like the guy who called the cops and reported that somebody stole his marijuana. When have you EVER heard of a guy winning a bar fight call the police only to tell them that he won the fight.
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[quote='TermanatorXxX','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60945#post60945']People hate the police until a time comes when they need them most. Just like the guy who called the cops and reported that somebody stole his marijuana. When have you EVER heard of a guy winning a bar fight call the police only to tell them that he won the fight.[/QUOTE] What? This makes no sense. Traffic Theory? That class sounds thrilling. Also advanced algebra and calculus is taught in high school, I know because I took it. lol what Jazm? Is that some Canadian phrase I'm unfamiliar with? [quote='RET.Trajan=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60937#post60937']One last thing, you never address an officer with "Dude" It's either Sir or Officer.[/QUOTE] Is there a law that requires that?
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[QUOTE] Quote: Originally Posted by [B]RET.Trajan=US=[/B] [URL='http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/barracks/showthread.php?p=60937#post60937'][IMG]http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/barracks/assault_wars/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL] [I]One last thing, you never address an officer with "Dude" It's either Sir or Officer.[/I] Is there a law that requires that?[/QUOTE] I never said there was one, it's just being polite lol.
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[quote='Ret.Xander=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60948#post60948']Is there a law that requires that?[/QUOTE] And you wonder why you have never had a good interaction with a law enforcement officer. Give unconditional respect, get unconditional respect.
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Xander... "lol what Jazm? Is that some Canadian phrase I'm unfamiliar with?" in response to ... "well i say the sky is gray today, not blue, and i dare you to prove me wrong." Basically it means that i do not agree with you on your opinion of law enforcement personnel. But i also do not think that either argument can be proven or disproved through endless debate. There is no way that you can prove to me that law enforcement holds no place in our society or that the majority of police officers are corrupt power mongers. There is no way that i can prove to you that police officers are not douches out to ruin your good times. So yes, i made a "Canadian" joke about the futility of this debate.
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[quote='TermanatorXxX','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60951#post60951']And you wonder why you have never had a good interaction with a law enforcement officer. Give unconditional respect, get unconditional respect.[/QUOTE] I don't have to give respect to someone just because he has a badge. If he earns my respect I would give it to them. What are they the KGB? If I don't bend to their ever whim they will put me away? No, they can't do that. But they will be even bigger dicks because of it, which again lowers my respect for them. Why should I respect someone who has the intelligence I did after graduating high school? Jazm, I agree lol and I know this won't be won either way. But its a topic i've never discussed so I enjoy the debate. Trajan, if you ask anyone that knows me they know I love a good discussion. It just can't deal with politics or religion lol.
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[QUOTE]Trajan, if you ask anyone that knows me they know I love a good discussion. It just can't deal with politics or religion lol.[/QUOTE] Hehehe... Sounds good:-)
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[quote='Ret.Xander=US=','http://clanunknownsoldiers.com/hq/thread/?postID=60979#post60979']I don't have to give respect to someone just because he has a badge. If he earns my respect I would give it to them. What are they the KGB? If I don't bend to their ever whim they will put me away? No, they can't do that. But they will be even bigger dicks because of it, which again lowers my respect for them. Why should I respect someone who has the intelligence I did after graduating high school? Jazm, I agree lol and I know this won't be won either way. But its a topic i've never discussed so I enjoy the debate. Trajan, if you ask anyone that knows me they know I love a good discussion. It just can't deal with politics or religion lol.[/QUOTE] I never said respect somebody for the mere face of possessing a badge. What I am saying, is did you really even give the officer a chance? If you had a bad encounter with an officer, and then encountered a second, different officer did you really give him a chance for him to respect you? Or did you judge him as the same officer as the bad one? Basically, it doesn't sound like an officer would earn your respect, unless the situation went in your favor. Which, lets face it, nobody gets their way 100% of the time it's a fact of life. If I am misinterpreting this concept, then I apologize. Why should you respect someone who has the intelligence that you did when you graduated high school? I don't know, you tell me. There is plenty of people in this clan alone who haven't even graduated high school yet. Yet, you respect them do you not? You putting yourself on a pedestal over an officer's education is no different than a dirty cop saying the law doesn't apply to me [being the officer]. Janitors and garbage truck drivers are no less important in this society than any other legal faction. Same with law enforcement. Though sometimes they do not work in everybody's favor to please everybody, are still just as important. When I worked Asset Protection I never 1-up'ed myself to the janitor. Hell, even the janitor was catching theft rings.
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The number of people who hate Police is high so news about police doing wrong will always be in the news spot light and people will always say I would have done this or that forever. But it comes down to the officers decision on the spot based on their training and experience. Look at the Cambridge Police Sgt arresting the Professor and the President sharp shooting his actions. People that have no experience in Law Enforcement or any other job for that matter will always do this because everyone is entitled to there own opinion and for the most part now days ;) free speech. and I don't have time to sit and find links all day so I only took the top 2 and actual War is much more entertaining.
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Don't piss off a cop even if you are right. You will pay the price and suffer as your lawyer tries to get you out of it. There is an encyclopedia of charges and no one follows the law 100% of the time. Yes sir, yes mam, be on your way.
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